Re;MT604 on Ebay

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Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Vtrsp1da » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:40 am

An interesting MT604 on EBay
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Minter » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:45 am

Very interesting!

First question I'd like to ask is why has it got a riveted on VIN plate! N Reg 2001 Harley!? Mmmmm!
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Wirralman » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:13 am

Minter wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:45 am
Very interesting!

First question I'd like to ask is why has it got a riveted on VIN plate! N Reg 2001 Harley!? Mmmmm!
And it isn't a full VIN number, just the tag end of a VIN. If it were an MT350 conversion, the latest year was 1998, if it bike was originally an HD MT500 fitted with electric start it would be more valuable as a US spec MT and have a full VIN

Most adverts don't show a VIN . Why does this one and why no paint ?

Now if you had a 2001 scrap Harley ( not an MT) , the tag end of the VIN plate could be cut out and riveted to an MT350 frame if you ground its original VIN off. But then if you did that the area would be unpainted ( as per the advert)

As the Romans said ' Caveat Emptor' ( buyer beware)

PS I suspect bikes found with false VIN plates get crushed
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by MTBrown » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:10 am

I suspect this started life as an H-D MT500E and for some reason the VIN plate has been replaced and the first 8 digits left off.
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Wirralman » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:07 pm

MTBrown wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:10 am
I suspect this started life as an H-D MT500E and for some reason the VIN plate has been replaced and the first 8 digits left off.
if it did start its life as an HD MT500 , it wouldn't have had a VIN plate at all. The VIN number would have been stamped into the frame. I have a photo of at least one HD MT500 that were on sale on US eBay- they show valid production years and the engine code within it denotes a 500 engine. I've seen one HD MT500, it belonged to Force motorcycles and have heard of another imported from the US.

If anyone bought a US spec bike, stripped parts off it and fitted a 604, registered it with a 1995 licence plate, cut the VIN number out and riveted it back after grinding the front part of the number off, then swapped the US spec speed for a UK spec, I would be absolutely amazed.

If someone acquired an MT350, ground off the VIN number then riveted part of a VIN number from a different bike and installed a 604, I wouldn't be surprised. It would be interesting to see the documentation for the bike.
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Franc » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:20 pm

The ad states the frame has been powder coated, if the person who did this was a little over zealous with the sand blaster whilst prepping the frame, then they might have erased the frame number by mistake, I've seen this happen to a friend's Suzuki Bandit.
This could be just an innocent attempt to replace the VIN to appease the NOT inspector.
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by hounddog » Sun Jan 05, 2020 12:24 pm

The reg number is in one of the photos Ebay. I checked it on DVLA and it was registered for the road in 2001 , shown as manufactured in 1995 - so that all makes sense for a N-reg. Its a 1995 bike .
Also , registered as a 485cc so that would need changing if now has a 604 in it .

The VIN plate is an odd one, it would have started its life I assume as a MT350, a bike which should have its VIN stamped direct into the frame at the headstock , being a 17 character combination of letters and numbers (starting 1HD). I have never seen a Harley MT with a riveted VIN plate , but there is always a first .
(A riveted VIN plate is standard on the Armstrong - but this is definitely not an Armstrong) .
Not suggesting anything wrong, its just unusual. As above - Caveat emptor , bidding starts at £3.5k
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Vtrsp1da » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:15 pm

I wonder why the picture of the VIN on the EBay add has now been removed by the seller?
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Wirralman » Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:56 pm

Vtrsp1da wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:15 pm
I wonder why the picture of the VIN on the EBay add has now been removed by the seller?

The one that said TY000041 ?

I couldn't think why anyone would remove that photo !
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Re: Re;MT604 on Ebay

Post by Sloppy Link » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:10 pm

Advert refers to Force Motorcycles, shouldn’t be too difficult to check its provenance.
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